Talk:Surrender some of your Attar/@comment-619469-20200215120315

Assuming the gain on failure is not a typo, this is a wonderful option for those low on Persuasive. If you can intentionally get your success chance very low (10% or lower), you'll be gaining +4cp, 1 Attar, and 1 EI per action.

Assuming 0% success, and accounting for the 1 Attar loss on entering, plus 1 action for entering and leaving, that's 4 Attar and 12.5 Echoes of EI in 7 actions, and since Attar can be cashed out for 4.17 Echoes each at the palace for a finite amount of total actions (due to the rare success), over a long enough time this trends to 4.17 E/A. Plus the attribute gain. Actual values will be less, but in reality you should switch to Walking the Walls once your Persuasive gets too high.