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  • Hi Adnoam, As pointed put by Bibliovore the Honey-Mazed Bear isn't getting added to Glasswork Items despite it having a +1 bonus to Glasswork. A quick bit of backtracking shows me that it is connected to Module:ItemList/Companions but do we need to update that one manually or is that done automatically? I will just add it in manually for now.

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  • Hi Adnoam,

    After being annoyed for several weeks every time I saw an {{Incomplete}} notice I've gone ahead and created two Templates for Factions, one for reworked ones and one for the Factions which still use Connected. These Templates are currently living on User:Asarta/Templates/Template1 and User:Asarta/Templates/Template2 and examples are live on User:Asarta/Sandbox. Could you take a look at them and suggest any improvements you can think of? If you think it works I'll upload them to the actual wiki and update all the factions.

    Update: After seeing some contrary points of view I've created a blog post to ask for comments.

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    • Seems nice and thanks for taking the effort.

      I don't think this needs to be two separate templates - most of the content and the layout is the same. I'd suggest a parameter "Connected=yes" to change the template from the default behaviour (Favours/Renown) to the old style (Connected quality).

      There are other small things I might think of adding to it, but we can certainly start with your base.

      Thanks again.

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    • Hi thanks for your comment. I'm just going to quickly redirect you to Rahv7's wall where we have a on going discussion about these templates. Also how ould such a parameter work (ie can you point me at/make an example I can pick apart)

      Edit:Already found it

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  • Does FBG giving out free Temple Club invitations change anything in regard to the respective content being unavailable on the wiki?

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    • I'll check with FBG regarding their policy on this.

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    • Got a response from FBG:

      They don't consider the Temple Club as Fate-locked. Given the new number of invitations now in circulation, they are OK with the wiki documenting this content (keeping to the usual 250-character rule).

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  • Hey, someone reported that Category:Affiliation has a script error. I haven't found the issue yet but you are more fluent with your own code base :)

    (Also, I am not sure if this is related or not but I noticed that all filters in the Max bonuses selection table (e.g. Mithridacy Items) now default to "No". Pretty sure it used to default to "yes". Unless it was an intentional change?

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    • Thanks. The script errors were caused by the new style of item lists generated by the module, which now doesn't support the "Other" argument it used to (and is used by {{ItemListByClass}}). I've asked D0SBoots to re-add that support.

      As for the defaults in the max bonuses tables, this was changed a couple of weeks ago by D0SBoots. My original defaults were indeed "yes" to all items, thinking that min-maxing gear will be most in use by end game players/characters with access to lots of high end (and possible Fate and season locked) items - trying to juggle them around to get the best outfit for a particular purpose. D0SBoots reasoned that these best-in-slots tables are most in use to figure out what gear to buy from the Bazaar.

      We should have a discussion to see if there's any consensus on the most useful defaults.

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    • Oh. Yeah.. I definitely don't use what gear to buy from the Bazaar.... (personally)

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    • Just going to chime in. I personally do tend to exclude basically everything except professions and faction items.

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  • Black Wings Absinthe Nouveau was recently updated to put it in the wines category, which is correct. But in the Wines template table, it gets ordered close to the bottom, when in fact it's the first one in the game. I'm not sure how to change that – I don't really understand templates' internal workings. I also remember from a while ago that several other categories had the items in a different order from the game too. Would it be helpful if I created a list where they differed, or is it not that important?

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    • It's not so much template code than it is table code (the table is at {{Wines}}).

      The thing is that I feel all of these templates are somewhat inconsistent now, at least as relating to their original goal. These were supposed to be "economy" templates - showing the different "tiers" of items in that item category and to easily show the conversion paths and costs.

      But now we have more and more items in these categories which are not part of the category's "economy" (i.e. you can't up-convert and side-convert them, and some you can't even sell).

      As for Wines specifically, click on the "shown conversions" button and you'll see the reason for the current order: All the convert-able items are at the top, then there's a dividing line and below it are the Wines which are not part of the category's economy (starting with "Bottled Oblivion", etc.).

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    • Now that you've pointed that out I can see that the tables for categories like Wines are labelled "Economy", while categories like Contraband is labelled "Category".

      I notice that there is quite a lot of variety in how the different tables are ordered. I wonder if it'd be possible to create a sort of general system for their organisation, though probably with openings for ad-hoc deviations if the general structure makes it less clear than it could be.

      Thinking of what sort of criteria you could make to sort:

      • Conversion: for Economy-type tables, items that can be converted should probably be at the top, with the conversions and dividing line in the expand. {{Rag Trade}} gives a very straightforward example of this.
      • Echo value: Sorting by sell value generally seems like a good idea. Items that cannot be sold should probably be after items that can? Tangiental to this, how to decide which items that can't be directly sold should be given an echo value.
      • Association with other items: Some items are clearly related, and should probably be next to each other even if the more formal criteria wouldn't place them there. {{Book}} is a very good example of this, as is the Screaming Map items in {{Cartography}}
      • Game order: Looking at categories like {{Goods}} I wonder if it is sometimes clearer to align with game order than it is to use a possibly more "structured" system.
      • Item actions: The game orders by this on the Book and Curiosity categories. Not sure how relevant it'd be for a potential wiki order system beyond the conversions.
      • Alphabetical order: All other points being equal, it probably makes sense to do the final sort alphabetically.

      This adds up to some sort of structure, though there are still some questions where I'm not sure what would be the best solution.

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  • Hi Adnoam,

    Recently I got in a conflict with BedBeetle6020 on Community Central regarding their block on another wiki. He asked for help getting their block lifted and became angry when we all agreed that he should be blocked. He has since then be globally blocked. He is now back with a new account called User:BedBeetle6070 claiming that he has forgotten the passwords to his other account. However considering he is globally banned this seems to me him circumventing his block. He has now taken this conflict to my message wall on this wiki. Considering the global block on his main account could you please block him on this wiki? I will also be reporting this to Fandom Staff

    Kindly,

    Asarta

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    • Hi,

      You're right to report the user to FANDOM staff, and possibly they'll be globally blocked again in this account as well.

      But I don't think that local wikis should enforce case-by-case bans in place of global bans. I saw one message from that user on your wall, which I don't think was abusive (though out of place).

      If they repeat and bother you here (beyond that one message) I'll indeed block them on this wiki - not for circumventing a global ban (which is not my place to enforce), but for bothering local wiki community members.

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    • Okay

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    • I saw that you've closed the thread they've opened on your Wall. Would you like me to remove that thread or leave it there with your response?

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  • Hi Adnoam,

    I was searching for something entirely else when I stumbled upon Template: Welcome which I believe is a template we inherited from Community Central back when the wiki was created. Template: Welcome is also linked to Category:General wiki templates which appears to include even more of these random templates. Are any of these in use on the wiki and if not shouldn't we just delete them?

    Kindly,

    Asarta

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    • Yeah, there are many small inherited and unused templates from the wiki's creation still around. I personally don't mind their existence (they are unused), and sometimes when a use is found they could be a good starting point to create something, instead of starting from scratch.

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    • Okay, just wanted to make sure you actually knew they existed.

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  • Hi Adnoam,

    I've just updated Fallen London Wiki: Administrators with Rahv7's permission to make it more about our Wiki and update the list of administrators (I've also updated the list on Editing Guidelines). This includes this Wiki's policy on promoting Bureaucrats and Administrators. I've written that part as far as I understand it but as I'm not an Administrator I won't make a definite statement on policy. I've for now added a Wiki Note explaining this but could you review the page as soon as possible please.

    Kindly, Asarta

    P.S. I've send a similar message to Rahv7

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    • Thanks for that. I've made some minor changes.

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    • I've removed the disclaimer about not using it as a Guideline as both you and Rahv7 have given a seal of approval

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  • I figured I'd give you a heads-up on this first, since ItemList is your baby.

    I'm thinking of extending it so quality can be a comma-separated list as well as just a single quality. The obvious application is BDR, although there could be other uses (but that's pretty speculative.) Right now, BDR is special-cased for the best-in-slot code, but not handled for just listing items. The special casing could be removed (with legacy translation of BDR -> "Bizarre,Dreaded,Respectable") with a more general handling.

    WDYT?

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    • Alright, I think everything is fixed now.

      The one thing that's still a little weird is the interaction between menace negation and regular negation on Stat-reducing items. The double-negation cancels out, so you end up with it listing items which raise menaces. This makes sense from a certain perspective, and I think is how it worked before, but it is also confusing.

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    • Thanks. I've removed the menaces from Stat-reducing items, since they have their own page.

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