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  • Hi,

    We've noticed that currently the FL wiki doesn't seem to have any active admins tending to it.

    Looking at the admin list, it seems that none are active today (most have not been on the site in many months, if not years). 

    Would you agree that we should be adding a few more active admins ot the wiki, who can be more involved day to day? At a minimum, there are piling tasks of cleaning up Trimmed pages' history, and going over candidates for deletion, etc. There were also some disagreements a while back on the "proper" layout and style of one of the pages, with some people re-doing others' work back-and-forth, and no admin to settle on one direction.


    Both Rahv7 and myself are willing to take on the role of admin. While we're not experts on how wikia works behind the scenes, we're both very active wiki contributors (have been for a while now), and are very active both in game, on the FL forums, and on the FL sub-reddit /r/fallenlondon (of which Rahv7 is a moderator).

    I'd very much like to hear you thoughts on this.

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    • Yes, at one stage I'd hoped Aximillio and Achris were taking over, but they seem to have both drifted off. So status granted! Try not to wreck the place.

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    • Thanks! We'll try to do our best.

      ONe of the first things I want to do is to handle all the Trimmed pages (to play nice with what FBG expect and protect their copyrighted work). The more this is delayed, more of the pages' history will be lost when its cleaned up (as people keep updaing the wiki).

      The category's instruction page indicates that the idea was to "delete and restore" the page.

      Do you know what was the process for handling this correctly? (Did Aximillio do most of this cleanup?) Is it simply a matter of saving the current text source, deleting it, and creating a new one in its name with the old one's saved text source?

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    • It's as easy as pressing Delete (from the Edit dropdown), entering Reason as 250-rule. Once deleted, navigate back to the just-deleted page, and Restore the latest version. Simple enough that a bot could do it, although it's good to check that the trimming wasn't a complete hash first. If you're nervous, maybe copy the source text first?

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  • So the page Mrs Plenty's Carnival properly redirects to Category:Mrs Plenty's Carnival, but for some reason Mrs Plenty's Carnival (SMEN) won't properly redirect to Category:Mrs Plenty's Carnival (SMEN). The only thing I could find in the wikia document on redirects is something about special characters like apostrophes in redirects causing them to not redirect automatically, but that doesn't seem to be true here as the first example works fine. Any clue what's going on?

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  • St Arthur's Candle (Card) should be moved to St Arthur's Candle (old) as, well, the new version of the same event is technically still a card. The new version should I guess then be St Arthur's Candle (card) instead?

    Also St Beau's Candle got moved to St Beau's Candle (old) as part of trying to add stuff but never got put back. St Beau's Candle (Seeking Road Storylet) should be changed to St Beau's Candle (Seeking Road option) or something similar since it isn't a storylet itself.

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    • I'm afraid I'm not really following the game or the wiki any more. If any of these edits requires special admin-y powers then let me know, but it sounds like most of this can be achieved through judicious editing (and possibly tedious discussion). The joys of collaboration!

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    • I created an account to be able to rename the various pages. The wiki seems to have decided I'm renaming too many things at once and has stopped me from renaming the rest, though.

      Also this process is leaving a whole bunch of pages to be deleted in its wake. Nothing much I can do about that though, I guess.

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  • I went to trim Make an impression on His Amused Lordship 2 and Make an impression on His Amused Lordship 3 , and I think that some of the text for different actions got mixed up, because the success text on 2 is the same as an entirely different action involving His Amused Lordship, Go to the Palace. I don't have the actual action open/available, so I didn't want to edit it without asking an admin about it. Is it something I should fix, or...?

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    • From the looks of things, the result on 2 should be pretty much the same as on 3, yes. Best course would be to add a comment to #2 about the results needing confirmation.

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  • I can no longer see comments at the bottom of Wiki pages.  Did this wikia change, or are my settings askew?

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    • There's generally a slight delay before they load, so maybe the wikia script is failing for you (for whatever reason). Not under this wiki's control, to my knowledge.

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  • Heyo! Could you delete File:Bohoposh2.png? It's a duplicate of bohoposh, and only admins can get rid of superfluous pics.

    Er, for some reason the same user also uploaded a replacement of chap6 that was exactly the same as the original image, but I guess that doesn't really matter.

    Anyway: have a nice day!

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  • I started playing Fallen London a few weeks ago, and have found this wiki to be very useful. However, it has a few problems that are very frustrating to new players.

    First, the way that item source categories are put together. For almost all of these, there's just a long list of storylets that have something to do with the item in question-- it's not always even ones that give the item, sometimes it's options that REQUIRE the item, which is supposed to be its own category.

    I have only found one page that does not do this, and instead shows an actually useful format for figuring out where to obtain the item in question. This is the page in question: http://fallenlondon.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Glim_Sources

    As you can see, this page lists storylets, the requirements for playing each storylet, and the amount of the item in question that each storylet gives out. This is how these categories should be put together.

    For contrast, here's the category page for sources of Whispered Secrets, which are easily at least as common as Glim: http://fallenlondon.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Whispered_Secret_Sources

    This page provides no useful information. If you want to find out which options are the most reliable sources, your only choice is to click every single storylet and make notes of which are useful and which are not. This also means that there is no way to effectively find a source of this item without spoilers. I trust that you can understand how this is frustrating to a new player.


    The second issue is in regard to the item pages themselves. Most item pages offer little information on what the item is. For example, is the item particularly related to a certain area (e.g., wine and honey with Veilgarden)? Is it generally associated with actions involving a particular quality (e.g., rostygold with Dangerous)? Does it have no meaningful use other than being sold to the Bazaar (e.g., Baptised Rattus Faber Corpse)?

    This is of lesser import than the issue of the category pages, but it still is something that would be greatly appreciated. If the wiki doesn't have any more information on an item than the in-game description, then why even bother looking it up?


    Thank you in advance for your consideration. I hope that you will find my ideas reasonable. I am aware that none of this would be immediate, but long-term change is better than no change at all.

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    • However, it has a few problems that are very frustrating to new players.

      It has quite a bit more than "a few", from my experience, but that's not the topic here and you're right that it's still a very helpful resource :-)

      As for Category:Glim Sources -- there are a few more pages structured like that one (e.g. Category:Proscribed Material Sources, Category:Inkling of Identity Sources, oddly-placed table in Foxfire Candle Stub, many quirk/progress gain pages) but you're right generally that the vast majority of them could be improved. As mentioned above by Pattern in Chaos, it's something everybody can start doing, and ultimately just a question of enough everybodies each assigning a few common items to themselves.

      I promise that you can throw up the raw data on the respective pages in whatever format suits your workflow best, and if nobody else gets to it first, I'll personally clean it up and make it look nicer. That's what I did for Glim, for example, and I'm happy to lend however many more hands are required.

      Your other points were covered above very well in my opinion, and I don't have anything to add. Trying to figure out what to sell and what to hold on to is a pretty hard task in the early game, but unfortunately there's no one easy way of truthfully providing that information. If you click on <Item> Uses and the category turns up empty, that might hint at the item being sale fodder for now, though.

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    • Thanks for the information! I'd go through the pages myself, but I don't want to spoil too much.

      Also, I had an idea: what if we started tagging categories that need to be organized? It would be simple to just add the tag whenever one of the unorganized categories comes up, and would let other users know which pages need work. What do you think?

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  • Hello!

    I'm going to bother you now (sorry), since you're the most active admin :-)

    I think I've made a way to sort the Fate category by price, rather than by name. (The default sort seems a bit odd here - it's fine for lists of familiar, grindeable actions, but what's the use in browsing Fate locks almost unordered?) By which I mean, I've just added one line to the end of the Fate template code :-)

    The line is

    <includeonly>[[Category:Fate|{{#ifexpr:{{{Fate Cost}}}<10|00{{{Fate Cost}}}|{{#ifexpr:{{{Fate Cost}}}<100|0{{{Fate Cost}}}|{{{Fate Cost}}}}}}}]]</includeonly>

    which is basically

    [[Category:Fate|{{{Fate Cost}}}]]

    but with the Fate Cost parameter first turned into three digits with leading zeroes - because that is the least awful thing I could think to do to get wikia to sort 10 before 100. (There is probably a better way.)

    It seems to work fine, though: everything with a "Fate Cost" is sorted in increasing order, and anything without a "Fate Cost" ends up at the very end.

    As a respected wiki veteran person, could you tell me if this is all right? And if it is, could you add it into the Fate template proper?

    Thanks for your time, too! :-)

    I.

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    • Sorry guys - I've been pretty busy with work. I can start looking at wiki stuff again in June.

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    • OK, back again. If tempates still need editing (and you don't have permission), please let me know. I just applied those suggested changes to Template:Action; not sure if Template:Fate still needs changing.

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  • Wow, it did not look like that before I posted it. I'm so sorry!

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  • Someone has posted something innapropriate and I thought I should mention it, since it's derogatory hate-speech terminology towards women. I do not know who to report it to, so hopefully this is a good place to try. Thank you for your assistance.

    http://fallenlondon.wikia.com/wiki/Write_a_song_and_have_it_performed

    [Edit: trimmed the repetition]

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    • Deleted, thanks for pointing it out - sometimes these things slip by the admins.

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