We've noticed that currently the FL wiki doesn't seem to have any active admins tending to it.
Looking at the admin list, it seems that none are active today (most have not been on the site in many months, if not years).
Would you agree that we should be adding a few more active admins ot the wiki, who can be more involved day to day? At a minimum, there are piling tasks of cleaning up Trimmed pages' history, and going over candidates for deletion, etc. There were also some disagreements a while back on the "proper" layout and style of one of the pages, with some people re-doing others' work back-and-forth, and no admin to settle on one direction.
Both Rahv7 and myself are willing to take on the role of admin. While we're not experts on how wikia works behind the scenes, we're both very active wiki contributors (have been for a while now), and are very active both in game, on the FL forums, and on the FL sub-reddit /r/fallenlondon (of which Rahv7 is a moderator).
ONe of the first things I want to do is to handle all the Trimmed pages (to play nice with what FBG expect and protect their copyrighted work). The more this is delayed, more of the pages' history will be lost when its cleaned up (as people keep updaing the wiki).
The category's instruction page indicates that the idea was to "delete and restore" the page.
Do you know what was the process for handling this correctly? (Did Aximillio do most of this cleanup?) Is it simply a matter of saving the current text source, deleting it, and creating a new one in its name with the old one's saved text source?
It's as easy as pressing Delete (from the Edit dropdown), entering Reason as 250-rule. Once deleted, navigate back to the just-deleted page, and Restore the latest version. Simple enough that a bot could do it, although it's good to check that the trimming wasn't a complete hash first. If you're nervous, maybe copy the source text first?
St Arthur's Candle (Card) should be moved to St Arthur's Candle (old) as, well, the new version of the same event is technically still a card. The new version should I guess then be St Arthur's Candle (card) instead?
I'm afraid I'm not really following the game or the wiki any more. If any of these edits requires special admin-y powers then let me know, but it sounds like most of this can be achieved through judicious editing (and possibly tedious discussion). The joys of collaboration!
I started playing Fallen London a few weeks ago, and have found this wiki to be very useful. However, it has a few problems that are very frustrating to new players.
First, the way that item source categories are put together. For almost all of these, there's just a long list of storylets that have something to do with the item in question-- it's not always even ones that give the item, sometimes it's options that REQUIRE the item, which is supposed to be its own category.
As you can see, this page lists storylets, the requirements for playing each storylet, and the amount of the item in question that each storylet gives out. This is how these categories should be put together.
This page provides no useful information. If you want to find out which options are the most reliable sources, your only choice is to click every single storylet and make notes of which are useful and which are not. This also means that there is no way to effectively find a source of this item without spoilers. I trust that you can understand how this is frustrating to a new player.
The second issue is in regard to the item pages themselves. Most item pages offer little information on what the item is. For example, is the item particularly related to a certain area (e.g., wine and honey with Veilgarden)? Is it generally associated with actions involving a particular quality (e.g., rostygold with Dangerous)? Does it have no meaningful use other than being sold to the Bazaar (e.g., Baptised Rattus Faber Corpse)?
This is of lesser import than the issue of the category pages, but it still is something that would be greatly appreciated. If the wiki doesn't have any more information on an item than the in-game description, then why even bother looking it up?
Thank you in advance for your consideration. I hope that you will find my ideas reasonable. I am aware that none of this would be immediate, but long-term change is better than no change at all.
About your first point, I agree but you have to keep in mind that like many wikia sites this site's contents are created by players for players and anyone is encouraged to contribute. So if you want something to be added you could do it yourself just like anyone else. So while you are clicking on each site to check for whispered secret gains you could just make a list like that one on the glim page, it's really easy, helps others on the way and propably yourself next time you want to grind them and misplaced your handwritten note.
I was looking for something similar when I was doing the university term passing cycle and it wasn't there so I made a table myself, one day it might be useful for someone else, too :)
As for your second idea, you can't pin down a single purpose/connection for resources and if I remember correctly I haven't had a single one yet that was only good for selling to the Bazaar. Even if you don't see a purpose now it's very likely that you will need it later, so my advice is only sell things off if you really really need the Echos and try to keep at least a little stock of everything. Also usually it takes actions to create higher tier items that are worth more than 1 pence, so preferably sell cheap and common resources first (that's from my experience at least).
It's still a source of a starveling cat - it shows you how to get one.
You look for such pages to know how to get the specified item. In this case - the page tells you that one possible source is to be the recipient of this specific social action (so you can request a friend to send you one). The page referenses botht he "Stareling Cat" category (since a starveling cat is a requirement for the sender) and the "Starveling Cat Sources" category (since a starveling cat is given to the recipient).
If you find a action page which doesn't provide an item yet references that item's Source category, then please flag it for one of us to fix (or fix yourself). I haven't encountered many such pages myself (always immediately fixed).
I promise that you can throw up the raw data on the respective pages in whatever format suits your workflow best, and if nobody else gets to it first, I'll personally clean it up and make it look nicer. That's what I did for Glim, for example, and I'm happy to lend however many more hands are required.
Your other points were covered above very well in my opinion, and I don't have anything to add.
Trying to figure out what to sell and what to hold on to is a pretty hard task in the early game, but unfortunately there's no one easy way of truthfully providing that information.
If you click on <Item> Uses and the category turns up empty, that might hint at the item being sale fodder for now, though.
Thanks for the information! I'd go through the pages myself, but I don't want to spoil too much.
Also, I had an idea: what if we started tagging categories that need to be organized? It would be simple to just add the tag whenever one of the unorganized categories comes up, and would let other users know which pages need work. What do you think?
I'm going to bother you now (sorry), since you're the most active admin :-)
I think I've made a way to sort the Fate category by price, rather than by name. (The default sort seems a bit odd here - it's fine for lists of familiar, grindeable actions, but what's the use in browsing Fate locks almost unordered?) By which I mean, I've just added one line to the end of the Fate template code :-)
but with the Fate Cost parameter first turned into three digits with leading zeroes - because that is the least awful thing I could think to do to get wikia to sort 10 before 100. (There is probably a better way.)
It seems to work fine, though: everything with a "Fate Cost" is sorted in increasing order, and anything without a "Fate Cost" ends up at the very end.
As a respected wiki veteran person, could you tell me if this is all right? And if it is, could you add it into the Fate template proper?
Also, I've wanted to make more use of the Card/Storylet distinction for actions - since that determines so much of both game and grind - and I think I've figured out a relatively painless way to do that. Have a look: Template:ActionTest (i.e. Action template + two new lines).
The idea is that every category will have not one (as now), but two alphabetically sorted lists for active pages: one under the heading Card, and another under the heading Storylet. (Retired etc. pages will stay separate under ^.)
To do this, the Action template would have two new fields, to (eventually) replace From Card/Storylet title:
From Card title, which (default)sorts under Card
From Storylet title, which sorts under Storylet
The From Card/Storylet title field is still in there for now, though, so as not to break all the existing pages at once :-) At the moment, it sorts under Unknown.
Ideally, the list headings would actually be Card and Storylet rather than the obtuse C and S. However, the only way I can find of making custom list titles is by using this extension - and I'm not sure whether it would be a good idea to add it in for just the one purpose. Maybe we can just live with a wikiwide C, S shorthand. You decide :-)
On that note, though, this this looks like a useful thing, and it would make replacing the old From field less painful. Well - there would still be manual effort involved in looking through the lists of pages to replace, but not nearly as much as doing each of them by hand :-) You, or another admin, would have to add the extension in first, though (sorry).
Does that all make sense? Is it too much trouble? :-) What do you think?
Slightly off-topic: If Replace_Text were to become available, I'd like to apply for piloting it at some point -- first creating a template similar to Template:IL for action results (item/quality gain/loss, linked to the respective thumbnail icons) followed by some large-scale replacements across basically all pages.
I have no idea how that would affect people's ability to edit pages in visual mode, but my understanding is this is already hard?
OK, back again. If tempates still need editing (and you don't have permission), please let me know. I just applied those suggested changes to Template:Action; not sure if Template:Fate still needs changing.
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