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  • Hi,

    I've recently created Templates for the Faction pages. As there however was some discussion about how they should look and their potential impact I've decided to put it up to the Community how they should look at User blog:Asarta/Faction Templates. Any contributions you could make would be greatly appreciated!

    Asarta

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  • I saw the transclusions you did between the PoSI and Paramount Presence guides, and I'm in the process of gathering a bunch of info from various articles/categories into Menaces (Guide), so I mimicked what you did with that. What do you think? My original plan was to keep the summary lists of common menace gain/loss actions on their original pages (e.g. Scandal Gain), but because of how those pages are laid out, it was grabbing the category tags too and applying them to Menaces (Guide). So instead I moved the lists to the new guide and used the tag to display them on the pages they came from. If there's a better way to do this, let me know!

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    • Hello!

      Yeah, sounds like a reasonable approach!

      For your information, you can avoid the issue with the categories by wrapping them in the noinclude tags (see, for example, Paramount Presence (Guide) where I did exactly that).

      But in this case I reckon transcluding from a single page into multiple smaller pages probably makes more sense anyway 

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    • Thanks for the tip on the categories! That helps a lot. I think you're right, it makes sense to put all the information on one page and transclude to the other pages; that might make it easier to keep the formatting consistent, for one thing.

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  • Thanks for the correction in Collect Another Mysterious Confession. Apparently there are some hidden checks in play there.

    The storylet shows the unlock requirements as Hallowmas: The Aftermath of an Audacious Theft 2-10 (at the moment). But when this value is 2-9, you see only the 4 basic options. When your quality grows to 10, you see the 2 "advanced" options. The game does not explicitly show you any of these requirements, so it's either a hidden check, or there's some hidden quality at play here.

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  • Hi, I've noticed you are using the {{Stub}}-template for the new faction-pages.

    At the moment, that template adds the same text, the same links and the same categories as the {{Incomplete}}-template. The only difference is that there's no green box around it.

    I was wondering if we should replace {{Stub}} with {{Incomplete}} or - alternatively - make {{Stub}} redirect to {{Incomplete}}. It seems a little redundant to have two virtually identical templates.

    If it's important to you that it looks the way it does now (i.e. like {{Incomplete}} but without the green box) we can also leave it as it is, of course.

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    • FYI (unrelated to the Incomplete vs. Stub question), both Mikey and myself have been working on ways to design the faction pages. My current sandbox attempt is at User:Adnoam/Bohemians.

      Once we agree on a design, we can put it in a template so they all look the same.

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    • I completely agree that it's mostly redundant.

      I simply assumed that since there were two templates then there must have been a good reason for that :-) I figured the main difference is in *intention* rather than a specific implementation. A stub page is a placeholder. An incomplete page is a fully functional page that is missing some core content. Or at least, that was my assumption :-) In any event what started as stub pages has definitely migrated more into an incomplete page territory!

      I have no strong affinity to the Stub template and am very happy to retire or redirect it if you and Adnoam think it best.

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    • I absolutely agree that intention is the main thing here. And it probably makes sense to formally have a a {{Stub}}-template.

      I've changed it so that - for now at least - {{Stub}} simply calls {{Incomplete}}. Whenever anyone wants to implement a "real" template, feel free to do so.

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  • Hi,

    Are you sure Orthos is Coming! should be categorized as a Menace?

    Seems more like a normal progress tracker for those three island locations. Similar to how Hunter's Keep uses Time Passing in the Southern Archipelago, and how Port Carnelian uses Time Passing in Office, no?

    (that is, it's not something which impedes your progress, but measures your progress).

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    • It's a fair point but it certainly used to be a Menace. I simply updated the template and didn't change the type from what it used to be but haven't been on any of the islands recently. I'll double check next time I zail!

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    • Please do check.

      As far as I remember (and see on the wiki), it's used as a progress indicator for the islands' cycles, and not as a menace you need to be careful not to increase.

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  • Hi,

    Regarding your new template {{Change Lodgings}}, have you noticed the existing {{Lodgings Change}}?

    :-)

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  • Hi there,

    you recently edited the Echo-template (E) by added the "Formatting templates"-category. This broke a number of tables such as the Buying/Selling-table on item-pages and the floating-tables for item categories (basically anything that included a table were the E-template was used.)

    I've fixed this now, but wanted to let you know so you can check if other templates you might have edited might also cause problems. The issue in this particular case was the additional line break you implicitely added and which caused the tables to break. I fixed this by putting said line break into a comment. If you have edited other templates where this might be an issue, it'd be helpful if you could do the same there. Thank you! (And also thanks for all the work you do here :))

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    • Thank you! I hadn't realised there was a problem but will keep an eye out on it!

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  • Hi,

    Good work on categorizing the "Faction" stuff. In the case of this particular category (Category:Faction Guides), though, I think simply Category:Factions would be best. Not everything there is a Guide exactly. It's a way to categorize pages (and other sub-categories) which have to do with the various Factions.

    In addition, we of course can have a Factions (Guide) page (not a category).

    What do you think?

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    • There is no rush on the factions pages if you still want to tweak the layout :)

      I myself am starting to be short on wiki-available time so I completely understand! I want to finish the quality conversions (it's almost done; only some Menace qualities remaining) and then start looking more into the "autofire" storylets with a view to eventually cleaning up Places along the lines of what we did with the Qualities.

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    • So speaking of the Quality overhaul, today we display a link to the quality's "Uses" category. Do you think it makes sense to also display a link the relevant Challenge category (e.g.: Category:Connected: Summerset Challenge).

      It seems to be a relevant addition. The vast majority of Challenges, of course, are for the base attributes, but there are a few here and there which test other qualities. (I couldn't find a good way to search for all Category pages which end with "Challenge").

      Points for thought:

      1. Since this isn't applicable for most qualities, we'll likely want to display this in the quality page only if such a Challenge category exists.
      2. However, I believe it's quite likely that, since this isn't common, such categories won't always exist. (e.g. we don't have a Category:Committed Challenge even though there's a page categorized under it.)


      EDIT:

      Actually, easier than expected: {{PAGESINCAT:Committed Challenge}} returns 1, even though the category page doesn't exist, so this solves point #2.

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  • These are a mess. Check out:

    Of course, this also affects the relevant Gain/Loss sub-categories, as it depends on what exact quality name was used for the Increase/Drop template.

    (and the same for all the rest)

    Interestingly, check out:

    {{#invoke:IL|prefix|A Game of Chess}} --> Dreaming Strange Dreams:
    {{#invoke:IL|prefix|Death by Water}} --> Having Recurring Dreams:
    
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    • Also, here is a first bare bones attempt at a faction page: User:Mikey thinkin/FactionsSandbox‎. Feel free to play with it :)

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    • Thanks for all the work!

      (trying to find time to review it all... :-) )

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  • Hi,

    I don't think there's a specific need to convert all uses of {{Stories}} into {{Quality}} as this point.

    There's still room for specialized templates (so we still use {{Success}} and {{Failure}}). If the defaults of {{Stories}} fit (i.e. no need to show a link to the Gain/Loss sub-categories), then I think it's probably not worth it to change to {{Quality}}.

    If, however, the quality is such that a link to either/or the Gain/Sources/Loss categories makes sense, then a switch to {{Quality}} is required.

    (Once the site redesign is finalized, some quality categories will be gone/changed anyway, and we'll need to revisit those specific qualities).

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    • Hey,

      I was going off what we discussed here (see your comments of 13 March 11:26 and 12:31 - adjusted for time zones but the minute marker should be the same, hopefully)

      In particular, the point about reclaiming the Stories template for other uses?

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    • Yeah, you're right. I was thinking more "long term" (that's why I didn't say this is problematic, just not necessary at the moment) :-)

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